“It is important to understand that the 20-Points are minimum conditions for Sabah agreeing to be part of the Malaysia Project. And, as pointed out by the former Archives Director, “it is a memorandum of conditions” said Datuk Dr. Jeffrey Kitingan in a statement issued today in response to the various discussions on the subject.
The 20-Points, being a list of conditions, submitted by the leaders of the five Sabah political parties (UNKO, USNO, Pasok, DP, UP) are, therefore an important milestone in the creation of Malaysia.
Without these conditions being agreed and discussed one can conclude that there would have been no Malaysia. It is that important!
Therefore, people, including politicians and the former State Archives Director should not be quick and shallow to dismiss the 20-Points Memorandum merely at its face value but what they represent i.e. the desires and concerns of the British, the North Borneo and Malaya.
The “weird” conditions referred to by Datu Tigabelas are actually the results of earlier discussions by all parties (British, Malaya and North Borneo) that led to the final 20-Points Memorandum document. Reference can be made to the bundle “British documents” released recently.
The 20-Points are not the only important valid documents in the formation of Malaysia.
Article 14 of the Inter-Governmental Committee (IGC) Report also states:
“14. In certain aspects the Committee agree that the requirements of the Borneo States could appropriately be met by undertakings or assurances to be given by the Government of the Federation of Malaya rather than by Constitutional provisions and these are mentioned in the appropriate sections of this Report. The Committee agreed that the more important undertakings should be included in the formal agreement and envisaged that the other undertakings and assurances might be dealt with in exchanges of letters between the Governments concerned.”
The above quote from the IGC Report clearly validates not just the 20-Points Memorandum but even “letters of exchanges” as well as undertakings and assurances.
In addition to the validation of the 20-Points by IGC Report, Article 8 of the Malaysia Agreement also validates “assurances and undertakings” (some of which were verbal) as in the assurance given by Tunku Abdul Rahman to Donald Stephens that “Sabah and Sarawak will not become the 12th or 13th States of Malaya”.
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Article 8 reads:
“The Governments of the Federation of Malaya, North Borneo and Sarawak will take such legislative, executive or other action as may be required to implement the assurances, undertakings and recommendations contained in Chapter 3 of, and Annexes A and B to, the Report of the Inter-Governmental Committee signed on 27th February, 1963, in so far as they are not implemented by express provision of the Constitution of Malaysia.
While various personalities have made significant opinions on the 20-Points, none have fully captured the essence and the overall importance of the 20-Points.
It is important to view and understand the significance of the 20-Points by connecting it as part of a jig-saw-puzzle. Do not look at the 20-Points in isolation.
It is part of the big Malaysia puzzle. If the 20-Points is missing in the jig-saw puzzle, there is no solution to the puzzle – there is no Malaysia!
If the 20 points were useless and invalid, why would Mahathir had detained me for raising the issue of the 20-Points 20 years ago?
Datuk Dr. Jeffrey Kitingan is Chairman of Star Sabah Chapter
NO 18/20 POINTS AGREEMENT NO MALAYSIA!
ReplyDeleteBACKGROUND TO 18/20 POINTS AGREEMENTS
Yes why detain Jeffrey Kitingan for raising the 20 Points issues? These were independence conditions and Malaya broke this Agreement with Sabah and Sarawak. They were only cheating to get us into their noe-colonial Malaysia.
As a matter of historical fact it was Britain & Malaya initiated the "Malaysia Plan or proposal" in 1961 and by July 1963 they again bilaterally announced that the "Plan" would proceed.
The people in Brunei (originally in the Plan) Sabah and Sarawak were surprised by the speed of this plan.
To lessen the fears and concerns of the people about being recolonized they agreed to the 18/20 Points which actually came from Sabah and Sarawak and NOT Malaya!
Tunku Abdul Rahman only made promises and assurances that Malaya would not colonize Sabah and Sarawak which we now know were just to con us to accept their plan to annex Sabah and Sarawak.
So the reasons for 18/20 Points Agreement must be considered in context of the following developments:
1. the initiation of the Malaysia proposal and process carried out by Britain and Malaya in the formation of Malaysia,
2. the dominant role and motives of the British and Malayan governments,
3. their political rationales and unfair tactics used to justify formation of Malaysia – such as the cold war arguments of joint security against the threat of foreign invasion and spread of communism, which were used to psychologically pressurised and sway a politically naïve population into agreeing with their idea,
4. the colonial power's determination to form Malaysia despite major international and local opposition expressed in the Brunei anti-Malaysia Independence uprising in Dec. 1962 and the Sarawak independence guerilla war from 1962 to 1990s;
5. the British use of the UN to endorse and legitimise Malaysia but AVOIDED conducting a proper independence referendum on the Malaysia question.
6. the lack of good faith, transparency and honesty in the hasty implementation of the Malaysia concept on a politically inexperienced Borneo people,
the failure of the colonial power to properly comply with UN de-colonization independence procedures such as holding an UN supervised independence referendum,
the lack of proper mechanisms and UN supervision to oversee the transition and implementation of the Malaysia Agreement;
7. disregard of the people's real aspirations and proposal to unify Brunei Sabah and Sarawak for independence,
8. the people's expressed fears that they will become dominated by the Malayans in terms of jobs and other spheres of life;
9. whether Malaysia is just a federation of 3 states in an equal partnership,
10. whether Malaysia ceased to exist and the Malaysia Agreement is not binding on Sabah and Sarawak when Singapore left the union in 1965,
11. whether the Malaysia Agreement has been revoked or repudiated by the Malayan government by its non-observance of the Agreement
These are some issues of concern that will have to be discussed at another time.
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Mr. Daniel Jambun has put forward the very convincing argument that the Malaysia Agreement is not binding because Malaysia as it was conceived was not the end result. Brunei did not agree to "join" and Singapore left the federation.
So Malaysia was alrerady broken up by 1965. Without Sabah and Sarawak underpinning the federation of Malaysia- there would be no Malaysia.
So all patriots in Sabah and Sarawak we retained our right of free determination. If Singapore can walk away so can we!
But don't let a piece of paper stand in the way- If you really want real freedom from foreign rule you must smash the colonial chains of Malaya!
Independence for Sabah & Sarawak!
Sabah and Sarawak must stand up for the 20 and 18 points agreement as these principles are what is needed to protect their rights.
DeleteDr Jeffrey, finally you have delivered a much needed boost to my morale. Let me drift for a moment to illustrate my point. I used to weigh my options for pizza delivery. Domino's, Pizza Hut, San Francisco Pizza or Canadian Pizza. Each brand -name has its pluses. Even my homemade can give me mind therapy. Pause. Let me cut to the chase. Domino's never fails to remind me. Brochures of Domino's pizza are almost everywhere. I'm beat of figuring out their secret ingredients. When I hanker for pizza I call Domino's. I'm out of bounds for Pizza Hut. San Francisco, dine-in. Canadian Pizza, crust is like ready made. Go for a differential advantage. We more or less know the 'recipes'. I know the brand name. Marketing blitz is needed. It's time to serve it to the customers (Sabahans). Let us salivate for Star's Pizza. Distribute pamphlets, brochures. Have information ready for inquiry.
ReplyDeleteWHY RUBBISH TO MAN TO DENY THE TRUTH OF HIS MESSAGE?
DeleteJeffrey did say he was locked up under the ISA by Kuala Lumpur because he questioned your KL master's failure to honour the 20 Points Agreement.
Agreements are meant to be kept. And Malaya signed the 20/18 Points Agreements with Sabah and Sarawak.
Was it just a trick to convince us of their crocodile sincerity?
Remember the British/Malayan foreign threat argument that Brunei Sabah and Sarawak would swallowed up by either Indonesia or the Philippines?
Well Brunei chose to stay out of Malaya and Singapore left in 1965 and neither were swallowed up by anyone!
Mind you I am one of you. I thought there's a bit of a leeway to speak up these days. Just because I was drifting to pizza? You have picked up on it, haven't you? That's attention grabber. Rubbish you say? Why do you think fast food is almost hogging young palates? I could have given ants as an example gravitating towards something sweet or something savory. But we humans don't have ants sensitive feelers. Too many distractions getting in the way. I am not undermining whatsoever the ordeals Dr Jeffrey had been through. My eyes are welling up with tears. What doesn't kill should make us stronger. I hope. Yet hope is not a plan of action. Applying Sun Szu's 'Art of War'? That feels good.
DeleteWHY BE SO SARCASTIC?
DeleteA MAN WITHOUT SIN SHOULD CAST THE 1ST STONE.
Yes we should treat all politicians with some healthy cynicism but Jeffrey is saying a lot of things to put his neck out.
If he is acting on behalf of UMNO it does not please UMNO to have him stirring up the already heated sentiments of Sabahans to give Malayans a giant KICK OUT OF SABAH and decolonise their country!
Looking at his message - he is raising awareness of our so-called independence rights (more pieces of fraudulent promises to con us into Malaysia)- and this is important as we have had enough of 50 years of lies and robbery by UMNO BN!
We have to take the man on face value...... but look at who is behind him. There are some solid people with firm views on Sabah independence and they are also prepared to speak without fear!@
Let us not endure another 50 years of UMNO bullshit and colonial stomping over our rights and freedoms!
The only to freedom is take Sabah and Sarawak out of Malayan colonial rule and control!
Read again. Are you getting the message? Dr Jeffrey doesn't have to bear the cross alone. The burden is not his alone or only of a few. We want the voters(of preferable result) to share the 'fear'. Fear shared is fear conquered. Keep reminding us. Or are we talking past each other?
DeleteAGREED JEFFREY IS NOT THE SAVIOUR OF SABAH...
DeleteWE SHOULD ALL STAND UP TO DEMAND OUR INDEPENDENCE AS HE IS DOING.
Then Jeffery and gang must see if a referendum is in the interest of the people. I think a lot of people want to stand up but they need a following. Hence STAR needs to beef up their marketing as mentioned by someone previously. They can start by improving their website and manage it properly. Sabahans locally maybe able to get information easily but what about Sabahans outside. Yes Jeffery is just one leader among many. We all need each other.
DeleteThank you New Vision. I was going to ask you for help to steer. I've written before that you are very clear cut. I was getting convoluted. You've proven that we definitely need one another.
DeleteTo another Anonymous, I hear you.
You don't need to ask me for help. I am already doing it in my own little way. A step at a time. Actually we all here are helping in our own little way by stirring up the storm that is already brewing. When I mentioned that we all need each other, I also meant that two brains are better then one. I notice most of the people here comment on topics which are relevant to Sabah & Sarawak. If we sit down and think, we are actually practicing good democracy here. Hope it will be practiced in reality.
DeleteGot it. Must find ways to turn our hope to reality. Articles,reports, write-ups we need all these relevance to stir the grey matter. Keep it coming, Wikisabah. Writers?
DeleteFRIENDS & BROTHERS & SISTERS- WE CAN MAGNIFY THE INDEPENDENCE CALL THOUSANDS OF TIMES BY USING THE INTERNET EFFICIENTLY....
DeleteThe most important thing is how to communicate the idea to the broad range of people on the street... and unite everyone to demand independence.
How to make it a buzz word....?
Sabah & Sarawak share very similar issues and problems.
There are former territories of the former 15th Century Brunei Sultanate empire and have overlapping cultures and languages.
In the 1960s people talked about uniting Brunei Sabah and Sarawak as one state for independence. This is a more natural idea then being suckered into the Malaysia concept which was to enable re-colonisation of the 3 former British colonies.
The Malaysia idea was initiated by UK and Malaya who had parallel plans. Britain wanted to consolidate all its S.E. Asian economic and strategic interests under one colonial administration. Malaya coveted our land and resources and also to fulfil their Malay supremacist and expansionist ideology of a "greater Malaysia". UMNO was UK running dog.
The Malaysia proposal was opposed by many people in the 3 colonies and this opposition lead to the outbreak of the Brunei anti-Malaysia independence uprising in Dec 1962.
Only Brunei was smart and also lucky by staying out after the people took up arms to oppose Malaysia. The other reasons were that Malaya had tried to force Brunei to give up control of its oil and then they refused to give the Brunei Sultan the right to be Head of State for neo-colonial Malaysia.
So Brunei saw through their con job. But Sabah and Sarawak leaders were weak and easily manipulated. Even Sabah first CM Stephens failed to resist strongly like Brunei and met a sad end.
The big scare of the time to persuade our parents to accept the con of Malaysia was "foreign invasion". Well NO ONE INVADED BRUNEI!
Also when Singapore left the federation- NO ONE INVADED S'PORE!
So this argument to rationalise "Malaysia" was just a big scare us to persuade us to accept a new brown skin colonial master from Malaya.
We in Sabah are really suffering from this con just as much as Sarawakians!
Is this information considered secret? Any law against distributing pamphlets, flyers, slip-ins or anything that's on paper about this information in order that the people on the street, the dispersed audience have access? Calling for independence, is it wrong? I can understand that those who are in power right now will not want their 'interest' to be disturbed. But what about the disgruntled people? Stating these facts in black and white is a no-no? I believe that some people are able to do it (paper- distributing) if they won't be 'invaded' as a result. Or is it already being done?
DeleteThe information is out for people to interpret. If you decide to make and distribute independence propaganda, I fear you will become an enemy of the state where you will be caught, locked up and the keys thrown away or I can imagine worse. Ok maybe I am sounding to harsh. As far as I know, the word is already being spread on the internet which is a start. (Why do you think the government has got a new law on internet usage) Going hard copy will need more co-operation and confirmed backing. This is something we need to look at. For me personally, I have never been a supporter of any political party, but as it stands, STAR seems to be the only one looking at the possibility of the breakaway, while the other parties to me seem to be hanging on for power crumbs. Please correct me if I am wrong. I would like to see, actually I am calling for all local parties to unite for referendum. Running a country is like managing a corporation only in a super large scale. I have no doubt in the capabilities of people of Borneo. I have seen an experienced this first hand. We are no longer the wild man that people in the past pictured us to be. The interest of the people in power are to fulfill the interest of the people and not their own.
DeleteWe need a fearless leader. The masses will rally behind. We need closure.
DeleteIT IS OUR RIGHT TO HAVE NATIONAL INDEPENDENCE- ENSHRINED IN THE UN DECLARATION FOR DE-COLONIZATION ...........
Delete& YES ALL LOCAL PARTIES MUST UNITE FOR INDEPENDENCE OR WE WILL NEVER ACHIEVE INDEPENDENCE！
Much have been said on the importance of 18/20 points for the formation of Malaysia, and without this there would be no Malaysia today.
ReplyDeleteFor us to achieve independence for Sabah & Sarawak, we must ensure first that all Sabahans and Sarawakians must unite and stand as one force to fight the umno/bn regime. The local opposite parties in Sabah and Sarawak must work together as one force in coming GE13.If we have the will, there is a way to achieve our goal ie to fight for independence.
50 years under the colonialist of Malaya is far too long and we only 'achieve' to become the poorest state and a lot of legalized illegal immigrants from neighboring countries to become instant citizens.
Sabah is still a backward State compare to other States in Malaya. State economy is no better than Malaya although we have abundant natural resources but all of these natural resources and wealth are being colonized by Malaya for the developments of Malaya. This is evidenced by the hugh disparity between east and west Malaysia in terms of development, industry and economy.
It's now important for all local opposite parties to put asides any differences and consolidate all resources to fight the corrupted umno/bn regime for the sake of the future generations.
Do we even need to wait for elections? Lets start the break away process now. What have we to loose as we've already lost so much. I agree very much with the "Marketing Blitz"!
ReplyDeleteThe people of Sabah & Sarawak are very capable of running and managing their own country. We do not need Malaysia, never did!
STAR what is your agenda now? I am ready and willing. This is for my father's dream and my children's future.
The clans must unite!
Yes we do. Our current CM is a Malaya appointed lapdog CM that needs to be replaced by a truly independent Borneo-based CM.
DeleteOk so we have a BN CM, but what has it got to do with our struggle? We are talking about our fight for freedom. Ok so you want to wait for the elections, fair enough but what if BN wins, are we to wait for another election before a Borneo party takes over?
DeleteELECTIONS ONLY LEGITIMISE UMNO BN COLONIAL RULE!
DeleteWE WILL END UP WITH ANOTHER 50 YEARS OF THIS NONSENSE...
BETTER TO SIGN THE SABAH SARAWAK KELUAR MALAYSIA PETITION THEN VOTE!
SSKM AIM SHOULD BE TO GET THIS PETITION TO UN TO REQUEST AN INDEPENDENCE REFERENDUM!
There are several ways to start a break away process peacefully and one of them is thru the CM.
DeleteThe CM that we elect legally represents the people of the state. Once elected, he/she can go straight to UN (bypass KL) to explain our desire to break away due to non-compliance and to get UN (and possibly other countries) support for the transition of power.
The other option is to get UN to conduct our elections if BN wins due to fraud committed by EC or NRD.
As for independence referendum, why need one when we already got one in July/August 1963 ?
The actual problem here is that our CM did not exercise his/her power vested to him/her by the people.
Just look at Singapore's LKY as an example. He makes decision that goes against Tunku wishes. In the end they go their separate ways because KL has no international power to colonise Singapore.
No one can stop them.
Did you ever wonder why Pairin was not arrested as a CM when raising the 20-points back in the mid-80s ?
Did you know that our CM today already has the power to initiate a break away ?
Unfortunately our CM did not do that but instead prefer to become a lapdog of Malaya.
Nope. Was not aware. It goes to show that it's not common knowledge among the common people. If it is an everyday kind of information I can imagine what the next like-minded person is thinking. Knowledge obtained must be put to practice to get results. We need unity of steerers. Whisper to someone next to you
DeleteThank You for that. I respect what you have written (several ways to start break away process). Knowledge is power and it is good that we share it among ourselves. Perhaps you would like to list what are the several other possibilities then at least it gives us a number of options to decide on. I can think of another regarding the Malaysia entity is not binding and all we have to do is to prove it in a ICJ. However (going back to the start), what if BN (by hook or by crook) wins the election? They've made it clear that they are not interested in any agreements or contracts. So what next?
DeleteI'm reminded of 'Finding Nemo' the movie. 'Just keep swimming, Just keep swimming'. Was that the survival mantra they uttered to one another before the fishes managed to break open the net in which they were trapped?
DeleteWhat can we do without being conspicuous and that will yield a tangible result? We need help. Lots.
Always remember for Sabah and Sarawak only, dun state election is more important than parliamentary election.
DeleteKeep supporting and work strategically with our truly independent Borneo-based parties.
I am with STAR and Dr.J and his team.
ReplyDeleteWe need to take back Sabah.
INI KALI LAH.
Sorry Umno/BN, kamu lain kali lah.
BYE BYE UMNO BN,SAYONARA in the PRU 13th.
ReplyDeleteGo and play kite at Pudu Raya.
What is this Datu Tigabalas fellow trying to prove? He is entitled to his opinion but unfortunately his opinion holds no base or weight. Simply put, I believe he's been paid to say such things or he's saying such things to be relavent.
ReplyDeleteDatuk 13 lacks 7 more points. That is why he does not support 20 Points.
DeleteWonder if Sabah Malaysia formation agreement in which the 20 points were stated is still around or has been long destroyed by "enemy". So much for talking so much about the agreement. Who is keeping it?
ReplyDeleteMALAYA IS THE PARTY OBLIGED TO KEEP IT BUT IT NOT
DeleteNEITHER ARE SABAH AND SARAWAK SINCE THEY HAVE LOST IT!
I am sure a certified copy of all agreements can be found in London.
DeleteFAILURE TO OBSERVE NOT KEEP HARD COPY LAH!
DeleteThe comment on "keeping it" really means or should mean who is to comply with it.
The obligation rests with the Malayans.
However, we also failed ourselves dismally to assert our rights vigorously until now. For 49 years the Malayans simply ignored our rights as they also abused the rights of Malayans.
We failed because we had very useless leaders in the past who cared only about feathering their nests and not our welfare. They betrayed us again and again.
Now we have a few people who dare to stand up and start agitating about our lost rights.
We must fully support their efforts by spreading the fight to every Sabahan and also Sarawakians!
Agreements are made to be kept. Otherwise one party are doing it to defraud the other party.
We all know who is the snake oil salesman who conned us since 1963.
We have been using the snake oil brand called "independence in Malaysia" to no benefit except that our national health and wealth is getting thinner and thinner and malnourished!
This pseudo independence is a parasite feeding on our national body and has impoverished it so much that one of the richest land is reduced to the poorest!
So do you all still want to suffer or purge the parasite and be free from Malayan colonial rule?
Just as a note, there are to many "Anonymous" here. It would be a good idea for everyone to get their own nick names. It will show the amount of people who are interested in our cause. Sometimes I feel that I am communicating with one person.
ReplyDeleteNEW VISION- "ANONYMOUS" IS LIKE 'V" IN VENDETTA- SEE THE FILM or READ TH COMICS (c1982-) IF YOU HAVEN'T.
DeleteALSO SEE CHARLIE CHAPLINS "THE DICTATOR"- GREAT SPEECH IN THIS MOVIES AGAINST FASCIST DICTATORSHIPS LIKE THE UMNO MALAY SUPREMACIST APARTHEID SYSTEM WE HAVE.
V for "Victory"!
Anonymous is everywhere!
So UMNO BN be scared!
Yes, I have seen V for Vendetta. It's exactly what we need but we can't use Guy Fawkes image. Perhaps Donald Stephens. hehe! Anyways I've also been watching "Brave Heart" and "Alexander" for inspiration.
DeleteV for "VICTORY"! F for "FREEDOM"! I For "INDEPENDENCE"! & G for "Glory"!
A NOTE ON "ARE SABAH & SARAWAK COLONIES OF MALAYA"?
ReplyDeleteNot many Sabahans or Sarawakians would answer "No".
Since we are still colonies- we want de-colonisation and real independence outside Malaysia.
Malayans and some locals argue that Sabah and Sarawak cannot "secede" from Malaysia because this is prohibited by the Constitution.
Well this goes against the UN declaration on de-colonisation and freedom of choice to leave a union of states.
If as the Malayans claim Sabah and Sarawak freely agreed to form (some say "joined") "Malaysia" then they are just as free to leave as did Singapore.
Quebec is an example of this free choice. This Canadian province have had several independence referendum to breakaway from Canada. The Canadian government did not stop the Quebec referendums. Scotland is also having a referendum in 2104 and the UK is not stopping them. East Timor and South Sudan fought wars to win their independence. They also held and won their independence referendums.
So Sabahans and Sarawakians should seriously look at this option as a peaceful way out. The alternative is to fight as they did in Sarawak but that means huge sacrifices and long bloody struggles.
Daniel Jambun has advanced the legal argument that the Malaysia Agreement is not binding because the structure or concept changed with Singapore leaving in 1965. (The original Malaysia concept had already changed when Brunei did not join).
[Issues like
- why Sabah and Sarawak were not consulted about this Singapore issue
- Malayans ignoring CM Stephens asking to review the whole thing at the tiem,
- why they conveniently forgot to include an exit clause in the agreements- that is freedom to leave or review the federation after a certain period].
If the agreements are not binding, Malaya is illegally occupying Sabah Sarawak and the Malayan army should leave our countries.
There is also an argument that Malaya has repudiated the agreements for formation of Malaysia by its failure to comply with or observe the agreements.
If a party deliberately breaks the terms and conditions of a contract (which we have with Malaya) then we are not bound by it. This can only be a supporting argument to the failure of the Malaysia concept argument. It shows clearly the intention of Malaya to dominate us. Hence they re-colonized Sabah and Sarawak using the federation deception.
Further, many false rationales were advanced to justify Malaysia by the Malayans- such foreign invasion and achieving racial balance (it became imbalance because Brunei and Singapore are not in the equation!).
At the time we did not have leaders of the calibre of some we have now and they did not see through the sham argument or if they did they did not seriously objected to them.
All these issues are now being re-opened in relation to the question of whether we are still colonies of Malaya or not.
The Malayans strong rejection of our calls for independence clarifies their colonial intentions.
What god given right have they got to keep us as their colonies?
I took would like to see a smooth and peaceful transition towards independence but I fear that will not be the case. Even with UN presence, there will be some blood, sweat and tears. The current government has to much at stake to let Sabah go. There is also the case where we have pro-BN people in Sabah & Sarawak and it will be an uphill task to get them to join our noble cause. I use to work with a couple of former military personnel who saw action in East Timor. They said it wasn't nice at all and atrocities were a daily occurrence. Will it come to this? I pray not! Then again will the current government make use of the illegals to fight their dirty war? It is always a possibility.
DeleteSo how? Those points will be 'homeless' if not driven home. Who is capable to drive the long haul?
DeleteWHEN YOU REALLY WANT FREEDOM AS THE EAST TIMORESE DID THAN IT IS WORTH DYING FOR
DeleteIt is not about being a hero. It is about winning freedom for the people of your country, the love for your country and the aspiration to free it from foreign rule.
Remember the Kinabalu Guerillas who resisted the Japanese and gave their lives to save others from being slaughtered by the Japanese?
This was their supreme sacrifice for the cause of fighting form freedom. Even if they did not live to see that freedom they set the highest example of self sacrifice.
The time has come for Sabahans and Sarawakians to make that move to break free from Malayan rule.
It can be peaceful if Malaya will agree to let us have an independence referendum. [Eastern Europe broke free from Soviet domination relatively in a bloodless fashion. It just came apart].
If not then it may have to be another Pakistan situation or East Timor, South Sudan... etc
I must say the situation that was East Timor is different from Borneo. If you've been there, then and now, you would know what I am on about. Yes, I think I am prepared to take up arms to free my country but violence will never solve our problem. We will end up becoming like the IRA where a lot of innocent people will be caught in the cross fire. Killings and assassination wil be the order of the day. The fight will drag on with heavy casualties. In the midst of the war, some freedom fighters will loose their cause and end up not know the difference between right and wrong. Then after so many years, we finally get our independence but by then I will live with regret for the rest of my life knowing that I have blood on my hands. Sit and think for a moment. Do we really want it this way? No, we have to be smarter then this.
DeleteWatch the movie,'The Rise of The Planet of The Apes'. Interpret Caesar favourably minus the bloodshed. We are all home. Sabah is our home. We don't need 'Will' anymore. We are better. Note the blood sneezing towards the end.
DeletePEACEFUL TRANSITION TO INDEPENDENCE - YES - BUT WILL MALAYA FREE US?
DeleteWe all want a peaceful transition which a UN subdivided independence referendum could smooth the way.
But why do you think Malaya has increased troops strength in Sabah and Sarawak if not to quell any independence uprising? No one us threatening to invade us except Malaya which invaded and occupy our 2 countries since 1963!
BTW many Filipino cousins in Sabah will know that "Malaya" means "freedom"-
What joke "freedom" to colonise Sabah Sarawak...?!
Don't trust your spell- check. "subdivided" should read "supervised"!
Deleteso simply put I am being imprisoned for wanting to improve myself. Pupuklah sifat berdikari konon. Takut pula Malaya ni
DeleteThe 20 points agreement is what our leaders agreed on during the formation of Malaysia and it serves the purpose of protecting Sabahan rights.
ReplyDeleteIronically, the 20 Points have been speculated so much due to the coming election. Some said it was a memo only, null and void..which caused anger among the Sabahans.
Delete20 points agreement is a sensitive issue for sabahan..
DeleteHope that the 20 points agreement will be fulfilled by the Federal Government, the spirit of the 20 points will live on.
ReplyDeleteWHY HOPE IN THE "FEDERAL GOMEN"- WHEN THEY NEVER CARED ABOUT US?
DeleteTHAT IS WHY THEY FORGOT ABOUT OUR 20 POINTS RIGHTS!
Exactly. Since when do thieves care about well-being or safety of household occupants? They would even plant illegals. Thieves are only interested in what they can loot. They come in guises and when we are unawares.
DeleteThe 20 points is REAL. Unfortunately Federal will never fulfill those points or any other agreements. That is why we are here trying to formulate and figure out where we stand on the elections, autonomy or straight out independence. Many like myself are calling for referendum for independence because as mentioned above and there is still a question mark hanging over PKR's agenda.
Deleteperkara 20 adalah perkara penting dalam pembentukan Malaysia, tanpa ia Malaysia takkan wujud.
ReplyDeleteTapi sesetengah orang menidakkan kesahihan 2o perkata.
DeleteDikatakan 20 Perkara ni sebahagiannya sudah dimasukkan dalam Perlembagaan Malaysia. Apapun Sabah mahu 20 Perkara ni ditunaikan sepenuhnya.
Deletesabah wants the 20 points agreement to be fully implemented..
Deletehak Sabah dan Sarawak perlu sentiasa dijaga.
Deletejadi perkara 20 harus kita pertahankan.
ReplyDeletesetuju Ada cadangan bagaimana? Kl selama ni buat pekak je...
DeleteIf the 20 points were useless and invalid, why would Mahathir had detained me for raising the issue of the 20-Points 20 years ago?"
ReplyDeleteI have to agree with this.
The spirit of 20 points will continue to live on.
Deleteyes...its proves that the 20 points agreement is still valid..
DeleteThe copy of d agrt shld b readily available 4 d public especially Sabahan n sarawakian to view. So much has been said n debated about this "sacred" agrt. Anyone seen it or is it still around. Or has it been used to wiped BN asshole?
ReplyDeleteGanyangkan..saja..Umno..di..di..Sabah..
ReplyDeleteThat is why STAR and USNO must take back the Sabah Government to fight for Sabah's rights and autornomy.
ReplyDeleteForget about SAPP, willing to give up Sabah just to become Chief Minister.
INI KALI LAH.
INI KALI LAH...TATAP..
DeleteSAPP tidak mampu untuk menang pada pru13 nanti..
DeleteSabah and Sarawak must unite.
ReplyDeleteAGREED!
DeleteWe need a good and God fearing leader.
ReplyDeleteSomeone to stir up the reality and hope for freedom to the people.
ReplyDeleteStand up for your state.
ReplyDeleteWe really need to act as one and be united.
ReplyDeleteSabahan leaders should watch (if you haven't already) "The Rise of The Planet of The Apes' movie or watch it again. Caesar (think sabahan leaders) says to Will (think BN), 'I am Home'. Caesar did not want to follow Will back. Caesar stood his ground. Datuk Pairin, will you be our first Caesar? I've been thinking about this all night. You can do it, Datuk Pairin.
ReplyDeleteSTAR Sabah this is your mantra. 'Caesar, we want Caesar. Caesar, we want Caesar. Caesar, we want Caesar'. All Caesars, please rise and come forward.
ReplyDelete'Caesar, we want Caesar. Caesar, we want Caesar. Caesar, we want Caesar'. I like that. Together now. 'Caesar, we want Caesar. Caesar, we want Caesar. Caesar, we want Caesar'. Now chant it, sing it, play it
ReplyDeleteFact: 20 Perkara merupakan syarat-syarat yang telah dikemukakan oleh North Borneo yang dibawa oleh pemimpin-pemimpin atau wakil North Borneo semasa merundingkan penyertaan Sabah ke dalam Gagasan Malaysia pada tahun 1962 hingga 1963. 20 Perkara adalah satu dokumentasi yang tidak ditandatangani. Ia merupakan satu dokumen yang mendrafkan senarai 20 tuntutan untuk menjadi syarat penyertaan Sabah ke dalam Gagasan Malaysia.
ReplyDeletekan bagus kalau ianya ditandatangani...
Delete'...20 Perkara adalah satu dokumentasi yang tidak ditandatangani'. Apa ni?
ReplyDeleteWho can prove that the 20 points agreement was not signed?
DeleteExactly my question. Membabi buta kah dia tulis?
DeletePoint 7 : Right of Secession
DeleteThere should be no right to secede from the federation.
If the 20-point document 'was not signed' then what the hell are we kowtowing to thieves for. That's an oxymoron. Tak ada locus standi lah. Mari kita ramai-ramai halau diorang
20 Points, this is only a prelude to the formation of M'sia and have been incorporated into the M'sian Constitution to suit the interests of the federated states as per understanding of a federation concept. All M'sians are protected and fall under the same umbrella. Opposition leaders have been harping on this issue but I believe, there is no erosion in our rights, privilege and autonomy. We have to let go our regional sentiment in order to achieve something better and to prepare for our younger generation a secured future
ReplyDeleteahh baruah bull kaka
DeleteYYa right. Legalizing illegals is protecting our rights, privilege and autonomy. Tolol
Delete20 points always valid and relevant
ReplyDeleteundilah dengan bijak..
ReplyDeletebiar rakyat tentukan pilihan mereka nanti.
Deletehak dan kepentingan rakyat harus dijaga dengan sebaiknya.
ReplyDeletesetuju, hak Sabah dan Sarawak perlu dijaga.
ReplyDeleteapa pun, jangan ada pihak yang mainkan isu ini utk kepentingan tertentu.
ReplyDeleteSokong dengan 20 perkara ini. Ini untuk Sabah dan bukannya untuk orang lain. Jadi ini adalah hak Sabah.
ReplyDelete20 perkara ini perjanjian Sabah menyertai Malaysia. Maka kita harap biarkan saja perjanjian ini berterusan dan tidak ada pihak yang cuba memutar belitkan 20 perkara ini.
ReplyDeleteTanpa ada 20 perkara itu maka tidak adalah Sabah untuk Malaysia.
ReplyDelete"20 points of Sabah" is the 20 claims which have been included and absorbed into Malaysian constitutional law. But this can not be seen with the naked eye, if we examine the legal constitution of Malaysia now, "the 20-point Sabah" has been implemented in the State or Federal Government law.
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